tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post5111673458712110653..comments2024-02-26T18:18:55.644+02:00Comments on Esser Agaroth (2¢): Jewish Women, Arab Men, and Teaneck, New JerseyEsser Agarothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-36559947364892438852013-06-09T23:39:13.760+03:002013-06-09T23:39:13.760+03:00You forgot the last part...
מפני שאינו עושה עימנו...You forgot the last part...<br /><br />מפני שאינו עושה עימנו מלחמה<br /><br />Anyway, I'll fill in the holes when I next see you.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-47468138248579680772013-06-08T23:12:22.124+03:002013-06-08T23:12:22.124+03:00But, what does tone have to do with halakhah?
Not...<i>But, what does tone have to do with halakhah?</i><br /><br />Nothing, my point was simply that it can affect how people will respond to you. As you stated "Although it's true that there are different valid approaches to use in order to convince someone of an opposing view "catching more flies with honey, than vinegar," as they say". You certainly have a unique way of expressing your point of view. Your an intelligent guy, an I think your perspectives would often be more easily understood if you said it in a different way than you usually do.<br /><br /><i>You did not state your position on what that is, backed by halakhic sources</i><br />We are not allowed to use violence, unless it is for self-defense. First, I will ask the question, are there any poskim who hold that one is allow to beat up any random Arab on the street? <br />Also, I read the Rambam you referenced. First, some commentators state that it applies to the seven nations who inhabited Eretz Yisrael. Also, I understand that the Rambam held that the Muslims are not idol worshipers<br /> Even if it does apply to them, you left out a crucial part of it in your post which states:<br /> אבל לאבדו בידו, או לדוחפו לבור, וכיוצא בזה--אסורAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-40685621164624972172013-06-07T13:11:20.363+03:002013-06-07T13:11:20.363+03:00OK.
But, what does tone have to do with halakhah...OK. <br /><br />But, what does tone have to do with halakhah?<br /><br />And,...<br /><br />You did not state your position on what that is, backed by halakhic sources.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-71321974668225711162013-06-07T09:47:41.985+03:002013-06-07T09:47:41.985+03:00Yaakov,
I did read the entire post and you did...Yaakov,<br /><br /> I did read the entire post and you did have some good points. First, I do agree that many people see things too much from a western perspective, and the government is often to concerned about what other countries think, and I know you feel very passionately about this. I will look at that Rambam, bli neder. I think I responded that way I did to this and the R' Binyamin Kahhane dvar torah was more based on the tone of the writing than the content. The torah is not based on western values, but not everything about western culture is wrong. Of course I wouldn't want any Arabs (or anyone) harming a Bat Yisrael. Its your blog and you can write as you please. Lets conclude that this should come down two questions:<br />1. What happened on kikar tzion that night?<br />2. What does the halacha say?<br /><br />Have a good shabbatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-50804187019311831872013-06-07T01:00:14.787+03:002013-06-07T01:00:14.787+03:00And, another thing,... (or two)
Although it's...And, another thing,... (or two)<br /><br />Although it's true that there are different valid approaches to use in order to convince someone of an opposing view "catching more flies with honey, than vinegar," as they say.<br /><br />Sometimes the denial is SO deep, in requires confrontation.<br /><br />In that same light, how do you think you would feel if your daughter had been hanging out on Kikar Tzion that night?<br /><br />The same as you do now?<br /><br />Yishma'elim are not western, and thus the western galuth values and sensibilities, do not apply when dealing with them. <br /><br />The Iraqis and Yemenites and Morroccans have been telling us this for eons. But the politically-correct (wanna be like the goyim) Ashkenazi, secular elite refuses to listen.<br /><br />Anyway, pick up a Tana"kh, and see for yourself...and see for yourself.<br /><br />פרא אדם<br /><br />This is what they understand. I sincerely doubt that it will some time before another Arab boy tries anything with a Jewish girl on Kikar Tzion. And that next girl will be the daughter of someone you know. (God forbid!)Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-8965376977872822012013-06-07T00:44:12.459+03:002013-06-07T00:44:12.459+03:00Hi, Aharon,
Thanks for visiting. It would be grea...Hi, Aharon,<br /><br />Thanks for visiting. It would be great to see you here more often:<br /><br />1. Was I bashing her because I disagreed? No. I bashing the Galuth mentality, one based on Western feelings, and not the halakhic process. THAT was my main point, and is often on of the main points I make in my posts whether I am talking about Arabs, Christians, the Erev Rav, Modern Orthodox and Haredi rabbis who insist on keeping Jews out of Israel, and so on.<br /><br />2. You didn't really read this piece, just like you read that d'var Torah I gave you one Shabbath by Rav Binyamin Kahane hy"d. The conclusion you drew was way out from left field. It appears, that you, too, have some hashqafah house cleaning to do.<br /><br />3. Whether I agree or disagree, or like or dislike what people think is irrelevant. I am interested in what the halakhah is. And so, I ask you, what are your halakhic sources to support your statements above? You didn't state any.<br /><br />Speculation on what Rav Kahane would or would not say ,is not a halakhic source.<br /><br />He, himself, said (mefurash) that when one asks a halakhic question, one is entitled to a halakhic answer.<br /><br />It is my contention that we are in the midst of a milhemeth misswah, in which case, I suggest you read the following halakhah very carefully (for starters):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/1410.htm" rel="nofollow">Ramba"m, Hil. A"Z 10:1</a><br /><br />מי שמבין יביןEsser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-88463845486778823072013-06-06T18:37:10.138+03:002013-06-06T18:37:10.138+03:00"...That a gang of Jewish youths could attack..."...That a gang of Jewish youths could attack another youth for reasons other than self-defense."<br /><br />What is wrong with that statement? I hate to break the bad news to you, but she's right. You're only allow to use violence for self defense. If Rav Kahane tz'l was alive today, I'm sure he would say the same. Why must you go on a rant insulting her and making assumptions about her simply because she says things that you disagree with? Yes, the Torah does make distinctions between Jews and non-Jews, but that does not mean that its your weapon AGAINST non-Jews. Judaism was not created by Thomas Jefferson, but it wasn't created by the Taliban either. I wasn't there, so I don't know what really happened. If someone comes at you with a knife, can you kill him? Yes. But the fact you wish to justify the senseless beating of an Arab in the name of Torah is appaling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com