tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post2904339060561178906..comments2024-02-26T18:18:55.644+02:00Comments on Esser Agaroth (2¢): Eating Shuwarmah During The "Nine Days" Oy! Geeeeevaaaaald!!!Esser Agarothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-81472081403742450542010-07-22T01:28:00.188+03:002010-07-22T01:28:00.188+03:00Ben-Yehuda
No problem. Great post by the way, and...Ben-Yehuda<br /><br />No problem. Great post by the way, and quite a good treatment of the difficulties and possibilities of the meaning of this particular Rambam.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-89103926797218138442010-07-18T20:33:06.680+03:002010-07-18T20:33:06.680+03:00P. S. there are Teimanim with the custom of refrai...P. S. there are Teimanim with the custom of refraining from meat only at the se'udath hamafseqeth. I do not recall which group, like the particular statement of the Ramba"m's I mentioned above.<br /><br />P. P. S. Thanks for taking the time to write your comments.Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-24067784103791325972010-07-18T20:28:27.324+03:002010-07-18T20:28:27.324+03:00Yes. That's true. I shouldhave been more cle...Yes. That's true. I shouldhave been more clear.<br /><br />The custom of the Nine Days is technically alluded to in the Gemara which the Ramba"m states here: משייכנס אב, ממעטין בשמחה.<br /><br />He who enters Av, [does so with] lessening happines. we enter Av at Rosh Hodesh (duh), thus 9 days.<br /><br />Yes, he also mentions I am sure I do not have to tell you what the Ramba"m means when he says, ויש מקומות שנהגו לבטל השחיטה מראש החודש, עד התענית.<br /><br />It means that his community did not [necessarily]. We must ask ourselves why he found it necessary to say, ולא יאכל בשר ולא ישתה יין, בסעודה המפסיק בה<br /><br />...if he already said that Yisrael already took upon itself the minhag not to eat meat during that we anyway....<br /><br />Minhagei Eretz Yisrael, including nuasch tefillah, were still in practice 1,000 yrs. These precede what people like to call minhagei Yerushalayim,...which were enforce quite recently in comparison (ie. Hid"a, Talmidei HaGr"a, etc.).<br /> <br />Why does the Hid"a's authority supercede the minhagim which preceded him?Esser Agarothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12853681733864707489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-81745071813749076552010-07-18T09:50:56.435+03:002010-07-18T09:50:56.435+03:00It reminds me of a time when a kindly makolet owne...It reminds me of a time when a kindly makolet owner came running up to me at Pesach time to gently inform me that I should not be buying rice and peas. I nicely told her that I observe Sephardi minhagim and then it was ok. She had assumed from my outward appearance that I am Ashkenazi while in actuality, I was born in Eretz Yisrael. At first it annoyed me, but then I remembered that this would likely not happen anywhere but Israel where the Jews really feel and treat each other like family. That's kind of nice.Devorah Chayahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03625277197970920616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32118121.post-8965028172918588152010-07-16T13:59:25.542+03:002010-07-16T13:59:25.542+03:00Actually the Rambam does speak about it.
Halachot ...Actually the Rambam does speak about it.<br />Halachot Ta'anit 5:6<br />העיד שיש מקומות שנהגו לבטל השחיטה מראש חודש עד התענית ומסתמא כוונתו שכבר מראש חודש נהגו בכמה מקומות לא לאכול בשר מראש חודש עד ט' באב.<br /><br />I could give you a full Ma'areh Mekomot if you would like as to the origin of the custom all the way back to the gemmarra. However in the meantime Minhag Yerushalayim has been, at least from the time of the Hida to refrain from eating meat or drinking wine for the nine days excluding Rosh Hodesh(Moreh B'Etzbah 8:233). <br /><br />So while some communities may not have a custom to do so, I would not call it a "new invention" by any stretch of the word. As far as practice here in Eretz Yisrael it would seem that minhag HaMakom would be in effect which was as the Hida(metioned above) and Rav Haim Vital records in Shaar HaKavvanot(89c) was to observe the restriction for at least the nine days, and quite possibly the three weeks, excluding Rosh Hodesh.Rabbi Michael Tzadokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307256653501750003noreply@blogger.com