Wednesday, December 23, 2015

Torture is Acceptable When it is Against Jewish Dissidents

י״א לחודש העשירי תשע״ו
Arutz 7: ISA 'sexually harassed' Duma suspect
Attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir demands immediate end to investigation after suspect confesses under duress, calls for investigation into ISA.

Yoni Kempinski, 12/22/2015

Attorney Itamar Ben-Gvir, who is representing Jewish suspects arrested over the Duma arson attack in July, announced Tuesday morning that the main suspect provided evidence that the Israel Security Agency (ISA or Shin Bet) sexually harassed him during the course of their interrogations.

"The sexual harassment against my client damages all that is sacred to him, his values of Torah observance and the commandments," Ben-Gvir stated, adding that his client had been sleep-deprived for an extended period of time.

"After the interrogators passed the initial stages of interrogation and my client stuck to the truth, they simply received a license to kill," he continued, adding that the interrogators may have sodomized him. "At some point four thugs entered his room, beat him, and tied him to his bed."

"The descriptions are shocking and appalling: they tied him upside down and beat him again and again, until he screamed 'Enough! Leave me alone, let me go, I didn't do anything!'" Ben-Gvir said. "They broke him. I believe very much that there are doubts that any confession he made are usable in court. They beat him into a shadow of a person." 
"The things my client said have no weight, because any person in this situation would admit to anything," he added. "I think that each and every citizen of Israel would admit the charges against him in this case."(cont.)
What does the Prime Minister say to this?
PM Binyamin Netanyahu
YNET: Netanyahu backs Shin Bet as right-wing protests continue
Ministers Bennett, Shaked and Ya'alon also come out in defense of the Israel Security Agency amid allegations of torture of Jewish suspects in Duma arson; 15 protesters arrested during demonstrations against Shin Bet. 
YNET reporters, new agencies: 12.22.15
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a statement of support on Tuesday to the Shin Bet, condemning criticism of the agency surrounding allegations of torture used against the Jewish suspects arrested in connection with the arson in Duma that claimed the lives of three members of the Dawabsheh family. 
Yoram Cohen, ISA Head
Is that a kippah on his head?
"Director Yoram Cohen and his personnel are doing important and excellent work for the people of Israel and for the security of Israel. I find the attacks on them to be unacceptable," Netanyahu said. 
Jewish extremists have for years vandalized or set fire to Palestinian property, as well as mosques, churches, the offices of left-wing Israeli groups and even Israeli military bases. The so-called "price tag" attacks seek to exact a cost for Israeli steps seen as favoring the Palestinians. (cont.)
Well, YNET has certainly gotten that wrong. Jews want a Torah State Kingdom, not an assimilationist, Erev Rav-controled State, hellbent on battling against the Torah, destroying anything even remotely recognizeable as Jewish within the Divinely Promised Land of Israel.

Palestinians Arabs are only a small part of it.

The Prime Minister continued...
He called for the end of the "cynical political incitement against the Shin Bet and its people, who are acting in accordance with the law, with a close and strict legal guidance, and the investigation they are conducting is meant to bring uncurbed terrorists to justice."
Acting in accordance with the law? Which "law" would that be?

Here is a photo of a segment of a court transcript from the December 16, 2015 hearing of one of the imprisoned boys...

Q: Do you need any medical treatment?
A: For my back, maybe.
Q: What is going to happen now, is that your lawyer will come in and ask questions!
A: I can't anymore (cries).
Q: They have requested an additional extension of detention a few more days. I should hear from your parents and your lawyer?
A: But they don't know what they're doing to me there, and entire night of abuse. I said to them they will kill me, and don't do that to me. Give me poison. I beg your honor, [I] can't anymore. (suspect cries)Q: I will hear the lawyer and the investigative unit's representative, and before I decide, I will call you. 
Now, watch this video demonstration video from HaKol HaYehudi (The Jewish Voice), and see if you agree if these practices are "in accordance with the law."

Previous news reports indicated that the torture included being kicked in the genitals, until one of the boys could not feel anything. The message here is clear. The Erev Rav not only wants to castrate the power of their emunah (faith), but wants to stop them from procreating,...literally. This is what following the Torah, and giving it precedence of State law, will get you!

If the victims of ISA abuse had been Arabs, we were never hear the end of it. In fact, the ISA recently came out bragging at how well it treated, the now dead, Hezbollah leader Samir Kuntar while he was in custody.

And speaking of Minister Naftali Bennett...

Naftali Bennett losing his kippah and working his magic!
שר החינוך תוקף את אנשי תג מחיר: "זה טרור שמטרתו לקעקע את יסודות המדינה. הם מנסים לחולל מלחמת גוג ומגוג. צריכים להפעיל נגדם יד קשה"

אפרת קרסנר, כיפה י טבת תשע"ו, 22/12/2015 

שר החינוך התייחס גם לעדויות על התנהלות החקירות בשב"כ ואמר כי כל החקירה מפוקחת ומבוקרת "שמענו המון דברים ואני יכול לומר שהפעולות שמבוצעות הן פעולות בבקרה ובפיקוח משפטי צמוד ובמטרה למנוע את הפיגוע הבא. אנחנו יודעים לסמוך על השב"כ, השב"כ מגן עלינו יום יום מפני אלפי פיגועים פוטנציאליים וצריך לסמוך עליו גם בפעולה הזאת".
Kippah: Bennett concerning the investigation of the Duma detainees: Everything is within the law
The Education Minister attacked those with "price tag:" "This is terror which aims to destroy the foundations of the state. They are trying to bring about the War of Gog and Magog. [We] need to work against them harshly.

Efrat Krasner, 10 Teveth 5776, 22/12/15 
...The Minister of Education also addressed to evidence of the handling of the interrogations by the ISA and said that the investigation is monitored and controlled, "We have heard a lot of things and I can say that the actions implemented are actions under tight legal control and supervision to prevent the next attack. We know [we can] trust the ISA, the ISA protects us every day from thousands of potential attacks and [you] need to trust it on this [course] of action as well...."

(Tip: The Jewish Libertarian)
Bennett, who just approved the building of a new Arab College (as if that's going to appease them) uses the most ridiculous, circular reasoning here.

Defense Minister Moshe "Bogie" Ya'alon
Defense Minister Moshe "Bogie" Ya'alon has already criticized Jews protesting the, now cancelled, destruction of a synagogue in Giv'ath Ze'ev, for wanting a Torah state. Apparently, he believes to be a bad thing.

Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked seems to think she knows some about Torah by randomly citing דרך ארץ קדמה לתורה "Appropriate behavior takes precedence over Torah." And I suppose that she thinks that it is OK not to keep Shabbath, too, as long as she behaves appropriately. Guess what. A Jew keeping Shabbath IS appropriate behavior. Food for thought.

And speaking of Torah, there is story regarding the outlawing of Rabbi Kahane's Kach Party in the 1980's. Then Supreme Court Justice Menachem Elon, father of Christian-loving, former MK Rabbi Benny Elon, and Beth Din convicted, sexual manipulator Moti Elon, told Rabbi Kahane hy"d that he did not know what Torah he followed, and that they followed different Torahs.

Israeli Supreme Court Justices
I wonder what "Torah" Bennett and Cohen follow. Honesty, it seems more and more, that they are just making up as they go along, meticulously replacing the Land of Israel with the State, the Torah with Israeli State Law, and the Supreme Court as the Sanhedrin, most of the justices disqualified from serving on a proper, Jewish court.

The Israeli Supreme Court, which supposedly has oversight over the ISA's treatment of those in its custody, is to blame. Just another battle in its anti-Torah agenda for Jewish People.

Actually, I take that back. They're all culpable, standing so proudly next to the flag of the State of Israel, none of them appearing to be experiencing any shame over this. What does that tell you about the "holy" State of Israel? Or worse, what does this tell you of the current spiritual state of the Jews allowing this to happen, even supporting it?

Please pray for the safety, recovery, and freedom of the following Jewish political dissidents being held prisoners:

Meir David Chai Ettinger
Mordechai Eliyahu Meyer
Evyatar Slonim
Binyamin Richter
Yehudah Savir
Nachman Tuito
Shlomo Tuito
Moshe Orbach
Yinon Reuveni


DS said...

Great post! Thank you, Esser Agoroth.

Keep up the good work: we are all in this together, and will not stop until these evildoers are brought to justice one by one.

Punishment? Hang Yaalon and Bennett upside down, for the longest time. Don't let them sleep, don't let them wash, beat them mercilessly and endlessly, enlisting the help of your most thuggish friends.

Tie their hands and feet

Kick them in the genitals so hard they don't feel anything anymore, and specially, make sure Bennett cannot have any more children EVER.

Burn their hands, their feet repeatedly.

And then go and throughout the Land that this is strictly in accordance with the law.

Maybe THEN they will understand.

Esser Agaroth said...

Thanks for your comment, DS.

I was hesitant to publish your comment, as I did not want to be accused of suborning incitement. I will simply take the opportunity to say that I share your frustration, but that I also disagree with you.

All those involved should be held accountable. But, I believe it should be done within Torah law. We cannot make the same mistakes as they did, by applying law differentially.

But, if HaShem decides that these individuals should receive their punishments in This World measure for measure, then who am I to argue or to stand in His way?


Yisrael said...

I'm new here so perhaps I'm projecting my American experience onto Israel, but in America we have a concept called innocence until guilt is proven. The idea is that police make arrests on the basis of probable cause and the courts take over from there. Police have a tendency to see guilt in everything. Some policemen will blame the ocean tide on beach sand. Judges (and in America juries) strive to be impartial and to render judgment through weighing of facts, testimony, evidence, and arguments made by prosecuting attorneys and defense attorneys. Each side has a chance to speak. Forgive me for being pedantic, but it's not clear to me that such mechanisms are in place in Israel so I feel that I actually need to explain the concepts.

As far as I can tell outside the veil of gag orders and secrecy, the defendants in the Duma arson case have not had their day in court, another American phrase. Yet, they are being subject to something else that is banned from by the American constitution - cruel and unusual punishment. That's something we are not supposed to do even to the guilty.
Certainly, the American justice system falls short of these goals on a regular basis. However, the President and his cabinet members would never brag about it. They might cover it up, they might look away, but they'd never say, Oh yes, we are torturing these citizens because we just know that they are guilty. How we know? The police told us.
One of the reasons I moved to Israel is because it seemed to me that the American system is crumbling. I wanted to be part of a real democracy again and that is how the State of Israel was sold to me. Yet suddenly, my appreciation and yearning for my birth country has grown immensely.

The Israeli cabinet has their little rationale of course. They are dealing with terrorists, one said. They are a threat to the existence of the State. The Jewish Hamas said another.
I see three teenage boys and an isolated incident. In the USA, we'd get them a psychiatrist, give them their day in court, and send them to jail if a jury deemed them guilty. Then we'd get them another psychiatrist and hope they get better and get away from whoever has confused them and lead them on this sad path. It's hard to believe that these three teenage boys are a threat to the mighty IDF.

We have another expression in America. When your only tool is a hammer, you tend to see everything as a nail. I understand that the State of Israel regularly contends with real life terrorists of the worst sort. And the security apparatus and leaders have developed certain attitudes and methods of dealing with it. However, authentic leaders need a mix of tools, each to be applied to different situations. Unless we are facing epidemic terrorism by Jewish settlers, the hammer is not the right tool for this situation. We need something else, like a court system, with rules, rights, impartiality, and maybe even a little compassion. These things are sort of fundamental to democracies. Israel claims to be the only democracy in the Mideast, a claim I have come to view with genuine suspicion.

Esser Agaroth said...

Yisrael K.,

Thanks for your extensive comment.

First off, Israel does not have many of the concepts you mention incorporated in its legal system, which is really a mish-mash of British Mandate, Ottoman Empire, and other laws from who knows where.

Administrative detention, for example, is a hold over from the British Mandate. The British used this to detain members of Etze"l and Lech"i.

The irony is that the "only democracy in the Middle East" is more of a deMOCKracy, than anything else.

The government feels threatened by anyone in the least bit concerned with Torah as taking precedence over State law, when they are in conflict, which it they are becoming increasingly in conflict.

The mamlakhtim try to reconcile the two, but are failing miserably, more and more.

Neshama said...

Just read your amazing post, keep up the tremendous "putting the pieces together" for us. Analyzing is very important these days to separate the chaff from the wheat!

Esser Agaroth said...

Thanks, Neshama!

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