Friday, October 03, 2008

Still Like Her Now?

Erev Shabbath Qodesh Parshath Wayelekh - "Shuvah" 5769

Well, just as I was about to fill out and send my absentee ballot in, to cast my vote for U. S. President, I caught a glimpse of a statement Vice Presidential candidate, Gov. Sara Palin (R-AK) made in her debate with Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) last night.

"We have got to assure them that we will never allow a second Holocaust, despite, again, warnings from Iran and any other country that would seek to destroy Israel…. We will support Israel [and] a two-state solution, building our embassy, also, in Jerusalem--those things that we look forward to being able to accomplish, with this peace-seeking nation, and they have a track record of being able to forge these peace agreements."
Um,...a two-state solution? Did you catch that buried within all of the "I love Israel" rhetoric?

Wait a minute. I thought she was a Bible-believing Christian. At least that's what all of my so-called right-wing, religious-Zionist cohorts tell me, they fawn all over her in "religious" ecstasy.

Gee, I don't remember any mention of two-state solution in the Bible. Do you? In fact, the Bible clearly teaches against this blasphemous idea. Yes, I did indeed use the "B word."

ב וּנְתָנָם יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, לְפָנֶיךָ--וְהִכִּיתָם: הַחֲרֵם תַּחֲרִים אֹתָם, לֹא-תִכְרֹת לָהֶם בְּרִית וְלֹא תְחָנֵּם - דברים ז,ב

2 and when the LORD thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them; thou shalt make NO covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them - Deut. 7:2

And, Gov. Palin, if you're reading, for your convenience, here is a partial list of Biblical citations (with clickable links) which include The Almighty's promise of the Land of Israel to the People of Israel:

Exodus 13:5
Deut. 6:3,23Deut. 11:9
Deut. 26:1
Joshua 2:9, 24Joshua 5:6

And if you still have any doubt, be aware that...
ג וְשָׁב יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֶת-שְׁבוּתְךָ, וְרִחֲמֶךָ; וְשָׁב, וְקִבֶּצְךָ מִכָּל-הָעַמִּים, אֲשֶׁר הֱפִיצְךָ יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, שָׁמָּה. ד אִם-יִהְיֶה נִדַּחֲךָ, בִּקְצֵה הַשָּׁמָיִם--מִשָּׁם, יְקַבֶּצְךָ יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, וּמִשָּׁם, יִקָּחֶךָ. ה וֶהֱבִיאֲךָ יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, אֶל-הָאָרֶץ אֲשֶׁר-יָרְשׁוּ אֲבֹתֶיךָ--וִירִשְׁתָּהּ; וְהֵיטִבְךָ וְהִרְבְּךָ, מֵאֲבֹתֶיךָ. - דברים ל,ג-ה

3 that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the peoples, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4 If any of thine that are dispersed be in the uttermost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will He fetch thee. 5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and He will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. - Deut. 30:3-5


כג וְקִדַּשְׁתִּי אֶת-שְׁמִי הַגָּדוֹל, הַמְחֻלָּל בַּגּוֹיִם, אֲשֶׁר חִלַּלְתֶּם, בְּתוֹכָם; וְיָדְעוּ הַגּוֹיִם כִּי-אֲנִי יְהוָה, נְאֻם אֲדֹנָי יְהוִה, בְּהִקָּדְשִׁי בָכֶם, לְעֵינֵיהֶם. כד וְלָקַחְתִּי אֶתְכֶם מִן-הַגּוֹיִם, וְקִבַּצְתִּי אֶתְכֶם מִכָּל-הָאֲרָצוֹת; וְהֵבֵאתִי אֶתְכֶם, אֶל-אַדְמַתְכֶם. יחזקאל לו ,כג-כד

23 And I will sanctify My great name, which hath been profaned among the nations, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land. - Ezeqiel 36:23-26

...are happening before your very eyes,...if you would open them.

And so, Gov. Palin, I suggest you remember that...
ג וַאֲבָרְכָה, מְבָרְכֶיךָ, וּמְקַלֶּלְךָ, אָאֹר; וְנִבְרְכוּ בְךָ, כֹּל מִשְׁפְּחֹת הָאֲדָמָה. בראשית יב, ג

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse; and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.' - Genesis 3:12
...refers to Israel.

With statements about "two-state" solutions, I guarantee that you are not doing too well in the eyes of The Almighty.

As far as voters are concerned, moderate to liberal Jews already don't like you. Now, you want to scare away the conservative ones? Say goodbye to Florida!

And, to my fellow Jews, see what happens when you side with Edom (Esau, Rome, Christians, the West)? You think he's gonna kiss you on the neck, but then does he? Or does he end up biting you on the neck?

Gee, my friend Matti's crazy idea doesn't sound so crazy anymore. He says we should all vote for Barack Hussein Obama, as he will make it so bad for the Jews in the U. S., they'll finally want to get out and come to Israel.

Hmmm.... What to do, what to do.....

Debbie Schlussel on Sara Palin and the VP debate:

On Last Night's Debate: Palin Held Her Own, But BOTH Clueless on MidEast, Hezbo, Israel


Batya said...

ya'aqov, please, did you honestly expect her to "Out-Pope The Pope?"

Biden and Obama have more negative gut reaction to Israel than McCain. It's the kishkes that count. Misha Arens isn't running for US President. Though I doubt if he'd be much better. Yes, I'll have to blog about why, if you ask...

BrooklynHabiru said...

It is practically impossible for any candidate at this point to point to anything other than the so-called '2 State Solution.' The last several US Presidents have backed such a policy, and Israel's own govt (to its own detriment) is committed to such a policy.

Given this sad state of affairs, to ask a stumping VP to outwardly come out against a highly entrenched position of both the current US govt and the current Israeli govt, is tantamount to asking her to forfeit the race. Right now she and McCain will be saying whatever seems prudently aimed at getting elected. Once in office, they can more freely stick to whatever principles they have tucked under their belts(I remember in one of Bush's earliest presidential debates he said he was ardently against 'nation-building', and here we are spending billions building Iraq and Afghanistan).

To me its really a matter of choosing the lesser of 2 evils. To cynically advocate voting for Obama so that the condition American Jews will find themselves in will intentionally worsen seems insane. Would your friend have advocated the election of Ahmadinejad to power by Persian Jews? Such cynicism (aside from trivializing the lives of individual Jews) presumes to know that Jews being oppressed will naturally go home to Eretz Yisrael - but sadly I could just as easily see them fleeing to Canada, Australia, and a number of European countries with incentive packages for Jews.

It seems unreasonable to me to not vote for a candidate given these criteria.

Yes, the '2 State Solution' is suicidal and a proven failure... however, do I expect American presidential candidates to stump on a platform that contradicts their own nation's policy and their ally's policy? Not really.

Milhouse said...

You can't be more Catholic than the Pope, or more Zionist than the Israeli government. If the Israeli government supports a two-state solution, how can an American vice presidential candidate say otherwise?

In any case, she's parroting McCain's position, not necessarily her own. If she ever gets to be president, I think we won't hear much of this two-state nonsense. Especially if she's got Bobby Jindal as her VP.

Rafi G. said...

they are all the same. they say they are our friends but they really only do anything for us when it is convenient for them. All candidates from both parties are the same, when it comes to Israel and jews.

Esser Agaroth said...

Batya, BBHB, Millhouse, Rafi, You all make excellent points. I agree with most all of them.

I still felt it was important to speak out on the side of truth.

Millhouse, the Israeli gov't is not Zionist {although I understand what you trying to convey}; it is Eruv Rav. In the words of Rav Moshe Tzuriel shlit"a, Zionism is simply one part of the Torah. The gov't is anti-Torah.

BBHB, unfortunately, you may be right about the fleeing to other countries besides Israel,...thus the lost "80 percent" who don't make it {Rashi on "Hamushim" as interpreted by the Kol HaTor}. My HaShem have mercy on us, and help us all to make it.

G'mar Hathimah Tovah to all of you.

Unknown said...

The Two State solution is a done deal, in case you have been locked away incommunicado for a decade or two. The fact that you referenced the Torah to conclude there can be no two state solutions shows that you are seriously divorced from reality. The Torah doesn't mention the internet, TV or the airplane, so there should be none of those either?

Esser Agaroth said...


Jakester, Thank you for commenting.

Done deal? Maybe in it is, maybe it isn't. It does not make it acceptable, permissible, nor a good idea.

The examples you mentioned are not shayach {relevant}, and your logic is... I don't where your logic comes from.

It is certainly not Torah/Hallachic logic.

The Torah states specifically that Israel belongs to us, and no other, and it's fate is ultimately in HaShem's hands.

The Eruv Rav works against Torah and HaShem's will. They have no connection to the land, and are trying to destroy Am Yisrael from within.

In this post I wanted give a friendly reminder to Jews that Christians are not our buddy-buddies.

Makabit Bat Guriel said...

Unless you believe a gentile is going to be the Messiah... what Palin said is not unusual.

The people Jews need to worry about are the Jews.

It wasn't that long ago Israel was going to sell land to Pat Robertson to build a Christian tourist trap in Galilee but Israelis changed their minds because he made some obnoxious remarks about Sharon. Remarks more than one Jew thought, also. How odd it seems they didn't mind selling Israel to Pat to convert their young (which you know was one of the things he had in mind!) until he made a comment about G-d sending a stroke to Sharon to teach him a lesson.
Gee! What was worse?

I guess you could say it was a Blessing from G-d since it kept one less Jew from doing the "Bridget loves Bernie" routine!

So, you have this Alaskan Gov. saying she believes in a "two state" solution to peace in the Middle East, the same thing some Jews are thinking, also.
The Jews yapping like lap dogs about this way to peace are a damn site bigger problem than any woman running for Republican V.P. of the United States of America!

Therefore unless you believe she is going to lead us all back to the Promised Land it's just another day in the life of world politics! Just be glad it wasn't a Jew standing up there saying those words!

Unknown said...

I am just asking people to accept reality. What is Palin going to do, redo established foreign policy on a stump speech? The Arabs still believe America is trying to kill them all off, not bad if true. Listen, in a better world Israel would be allowed to have solid defensible borders and not have to share its capital city with her mortal enemies.

Esser Agaroth said...


...and I'm just sayin' to you, that we have to fight, and let HaShem decide whether we keep a piece of land or not.

We don't just accept what you call "reality," however likely and logical your prediction may or may not be.

Lady-Light said...

(Sigh)Everybody says "two-state solution." They are all the same; have you heard of any politician who had the courage to say the land, won in a defensive war, should all belong to Israel?

As some of your commenters said, even the Israeli government spouts a two-state policy, so who is Palin to say any different.
I don't even think she and McCain will change their stance if they are elected.

Truth be told, I think all that talk about moving the Embassy to Jerusalem is just that-talk.

And has anybody, anyone at all, mentioned freeing Jonathan Pollard?? Would any reporters even think of asking that question?!

Unknown said...

Listen, I think she is a bubble head and all the small town, anti-intellectual populist double talk can't make her smart or wise. But I will still take her and McCain any day over some "I'm not a Muslim" like Obongo. Palin had a flag of Israel in her office, while Obama had Che posters in his and Palis from the West Bank calling for him. At least she is agains shariah and Muslim fascists in general. Israel's best hope is to make that two state solution as advantageous as she can. After all, after the two state is implemented, hopefully a lot of countries and even fellow arabs will feel that they can safely chuck the Palestinians in the trash like they wanted to do for decades.

Esser Agaroth said...

Judith and LL, You also make good points.

I don't really see a contradiction between your points and my desire to raise awareness of the Christian threat. And Judith you're right about the Jews part.

Jakester said...

Please inform me of any major US politician or leader who doesn't support the two state policy, considering it is the policy of both the US and Israel! I don't understand the thrust behind this discussion. You seem to want to cut your nose off to spite your face.

Esser Agaroth said...

Jakester, the thrust on this post was to raise awareness, and to remind everyone that "they" cannot be trusted.

Regarding your two state solution...

1. Although I believe in being practical, I also believe that it is possible to throw around the phrase "the current reality" way too much.

2. One of the main roles of Am Yisrael is to make Torah the current reality. Everything else apparently "real" is really Alma d'Shiqra {the World of the Lie}.

3. Hachamim like Rav Ovadiah Yosef aside, most opinions hold that it is forbidden to relinquish land voluntarily to goyim {Mishnah Torah Hil. Hovel u'Meziq 8:9, Hil. Avodah Zarah 10:1-9, among others}.

Rav Ovadiah's son Rav Ya'aqov disagrees with his father. The Bostoner Rebbe also defied popular opinion on the Council of Torah Sages showing that it is forbiben to give away land and kick Jews out of their homes.

4. As throughout history, we are supposed to do what HaShem commands through his Torah. Whatever the outcome would then be His will.

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