Monday, July 22, 2013

Israel Finally Commits Suicide

 ט"ו לחודש החמישי תשע"ג
(Tu b'Av)

Arutz 7: MK's Worry: What did PM promise Abbas?
MKs Worry: What did PM Promise Abbas? Rumors abound regarding Israeli concessions that restarted talks.

Maayana Miskin, July 21, 2013

While some have welcomed the announcement that Israel and the Palestinian Authority will resume talks, a growing number of ministers and MKs have expressed concern over the promises that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is rumored to have made in order to win PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas’ o agreement tnegotiate.

MK Miri Regev, a member of Netanyahu’s Likud party, called Sunday for an urgent meeting of the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee to address the issue.

“In wake of [U.S. Secretary of State] Kerry’s announcement in Amman regarding the renewal of negotiations with the Palestinians, I am calling on the Prime Minister to bring the essential points of the renewal of talks to the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee for approval,” she said.

“I should note that since Justice Minister Tzipi Livni is responsible for oversight of the talks with the Palestinians, I request that she, too, come and give a report regarding the renewal of talks,” Regev added.

“I want an urgent meeting on the matter because of the various reports saying that Israel agreed to negotiate based on the 1967 lines, and that there is agreement to an Israeli gesture to Abu Mazen [Abbas’ nom de guerre – ed.] involving the release of ‘serious’ Palestinian prisoners who were involved in acts of terror and murder of Jews, prisoners who pose a threat to Israel’s security,” she continued. “We will demand that the Prime Minister clarify the truth.”

“I wish to emphasize that the deliberation on an agreement based on the 1967 lines is dangerous to Israel’s security and to the future of Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria,” she added.

Members of the Bayit Yehudi (Jewish Home) part, including ministers Naftali Bennett and Uri Ariel, have expressed concern as well. Ariel warned that if reports regarding Netanyahu’s concessions to Abbas were true, “this is a serious mistake.”

There have been several reports regarding Netanyahu’s promises to Abbas, who formerly listed several preconditions to talks, among them the release of terrorist prisoners held by Israel and a complete ban on construction of new housing for Jews living east of the 1949 armistice line. 

Some foreign papers have said that Netanyahu agreed to base talks on the “1967 lines,” meaning the 1949 armistice line. Others report that Netanyahu promised to free terrorist prisoners prior to his first meeting with Abbas. Some reports say Netanyahu agreed to an unofficial building freeze in Judea and Samaria, as well.

According to Maariv/nrg, Abbas continued to refuse talks despite concessions from Netanyahu, until Kerry warned him that his refusal would mean a cut to U.S. financial assistance to the PA. The PA relies heavily on foreign support.

(Tip Credit: The Torah Revolution)

Esser Agaroth (2¢):
Minister Naftali Bennett
Nope! Never gonna live this one down.
Once again, MK Regev shows that she is one of the few MK's with an once of sanity left. Unless, of course, she is there, simply as an unwitting pawn to provide the illusion of an adversarial relationship between her committee and the prime minister.

Plus, MK Regev is coming from a strategic perspective. What are "religious" MK's Bennett and Ariel's excuses for their lukewarm responses? After all, aren't they from the "right-wing," "Jewish" Home Party, and wear kippahs on their heads? I am still willing to assume that that Ariel is choosing his shots, and working behind the scenes,...for now. Yet, that has never been his modus operandi.

Shimon Peres The Israeli Government keeps giving the Pseudostinians more and more. I am taking bets on how long it will take for Abbas to reach his (and Arafat's) goal?

And, now, it appears that Prime Minister Netanyahu will be releasing Yishma'eli (Arab) terrorists with Jewish blood on their hands are going to be released as part of a final "peace" (piece) agreement with the Pseudostinians, and will do so with or without cabinet minister approval (Jews News). And now, Aaron Klein has revealed that Har HaBayith (Temple Mount) will be included in the deal. (God forbid!) So, the "powers that be" are not wasting any time, are they?

And, how is it that I am able to write all this calmly, you ask?

Because my eyes have been open for quite some time now, and I have yet to see anything new come into play. The "powers that be" are quite predictable. The question which always remains to ask is "what's next?"

And, speaking of Shimon Peres...

President Shimon Peres on Sunday congratulated Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on his decision to restart peace talks.

“You have made a brave and historic decision to return to the negotiating table. Do not listen to the skeptics,” Peres said. (Translation: Do not listen to those no longer under mind control.)

Abbas told Peres that he hoped that there would be progress in the peace process and that the Palestinians “would receive an independent state that would exist side by side with Israel in peace.”
The Palestinian leader said to Peres that “we should complete the peace process that we initiated together many years ago,” adding, “There is hope; we will continue to build the future and I hope we will reach a good end.” (Translation: "A good end?" The destruction of Israel, and a big push toward its de-Jewification.)

Apparently, President Peres does not even care that he desperately needs a new acting coach.
(Photo: World Economic Forum / Benedikt von Loebell)
The Sunday Times reported on Sunday that it was Peres who “paved the way” for the agreement announced by US Secretary of State John Kerry on Friday, for the resumption of peace talks between the Palestinians and Israelis.

Citing unnamed Israeli and Palestinian sources, the Timesreported that Peres met Abbas in Amman for secret talks in which he convinced the PA president to accept that “West Bank settlers and Jewish residents of East Jerusalem could remain in their settlements but be subject to the Palestinian state.”

According to the sources, Peres pressured the Palestinian leader to accept this condition “as the minimum that he needed to convince Netanyahu to give his blessing to the talks.”

Peres met last May with Abbas on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum on the Jordanian side of the Dead Sea.

(Tip Credit: Jews News)

Esser Agaroth (2¢):
I am so ready to smack anyone who is in the least bit surprised about this: Oslo, Geneva, and how many other secret negotiations we do NOT know about??

Furthermore, I would still like to know what Shimon Peres, in the supposedly symbolic role of Israeli President, is doing running around taking very non-symbolic actions. And by whose authority? Because he is Shimon Peres, and believe that he can do whatever the hell he wants?

Well, this is one way to get rid of us annoying settlers. They're not going to let us have any guns of course.

Peres knows that many "settlers" will leave, or even beg the "holy" Israeli Government to help them. Then he will let the Arabs do the dirty work, [in an attempt] to finish us off. Afterwards, he will just say that we "asked for this" (double meaning).

Then all he will have left to get rid of are the Haredim and undying state loyalist religious, most of whom will just follow him off the lemming cliff.

Easy peasy.

The ones who will be left in Yehudah and Shomron (Judea and Samaria) will be the ones with the emunah (faith) around to stick around.

It looks like the "powers that be" might end up leaving us alone after all. But, I do not intend to hold my breath.

NOW, will start storing food, water, firewood, and get used to the idea of living without electricity??!!

After the "powers that be" finish carving up what than get away with of The Almighty's inheritance for us, Jerusalem will be undoubtedly be next on their list. And, I mean western Jerusalem.

Think I'm crazy? Stay tuned....


Anonymous said...

B"H - "(Tip Credit: Jews News)"? Besides, I see an opportunity here. Hashem may open a window here for His Torah state by removing the Zionist occupyer. Let Israel fall, long live the Jewish king of the Jewish People on the Jewish Land!

Esser Agaroth said...

I credited you for the A7 piece, but had heard about the other stuff from Jews News already. :-(

In line with what you suggested, it does look like "they" will throw us to the dogs after all, and we'll have a chance for independence,...with HaShem on our side.

David Tzohar said...

I wouldn't be too concerned with any
"promises" that Bibi might have made Just like he promises a two=state solution precisely because he knows there is absolutely no possibility for its implementation. You might not agree with his ideology but you must admit that he is very shrewd. .

Esser Agaroth said...

David, On one hand, I wish you were right. One person suggested that the Arabs will never accept it anyway, just like Arafat didn't (w/HaShem's intervention IMO).

But, now with Har HaBayith on the table, I'm not so sure. Plus, Netanyahu is not calling the shots. If anyone in Israel is, it's Peres. And, HaShem only knows what up that man's sleeve.

I'm with Ariel, here. It may be an opportunity, that is, if we have emunah.

But, of course, only time will tell.

Shy Guy said...

David Tzohar: Eizehu Chacham? Ha'roeh et Hanolad.

Begin talked about autonomy, Shamir went to Madrid to meet the PLO, Rabin assured us that talk about katyushas landing in central Israel is nonsense and Netanyahu gave his blessings in his Bar Ilan speech.

Even if Netanyahu should resign today, the next clueless leader will likely just keep driving us over the cliff and site it as being a work in progress.

Here's a better explanation of what Netanyahu thinks:

"But the men that went up with him said: 'We are not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.' And they spread an evil report of the land which they had spied out unto the children of Israel, saying: 'The land, through which we have passed to spy it out, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of great stature. And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim; and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.'" - Bamidbar 13

That was said by people who at least recognized Hakodosh Baruch Hu.

Anonymous said...

B"H - This State is like the Turks or the British were, with some differences. One of these differences is that these guys are saying that they are Jewish and usurping our symbols and our narrative, in order to confuse and deceive. So, it is more difficult if not impossible for the people to recognize them for what they really are and to go against them. Very clever! Even though they give out signs every day telling us and the world that really they are a foreign occupiers, people don't WANT to believe their own eyes and ears, because the truth would hurt them too much and would leave them naked, defenseless, rebuked and look stupid. Denial is a known and perfectly normal reaction in situations like this and one can check this out on any baby by showing him or her something that s/he doesn't like: S/he will look elsewhere. Now, once people overcome denial and realize what they have in front of them, their anger will be overwhelming and that will be the day when things will start to change, G-d willing. This is why it is important to show people what the Zionists really are, so that they too can join Hashem and rebell against them: Peres giving us to Abbas, Abbas taking us from Peres may well be the moment of truth. Hum, I'm gonna blog this!