Monday, January 13, 2014

deMOCKratic Free Speech in Israel gets Chipped Away Even Further

י"ג לחודש האחד עשר תשע"ד

Life In Israel: Proposed Law: no more Nazis in Israel
January 13, 2014

Almost every hafgana ends having protesters calling members of the security forces "Nazi". Of course it is reprehensible, but it seems to happen over and over again. The protesters do it probably because they think it is a sure way of getting under their skin, with a sharp insult like that. Maybe a few of such protesters even believe it, in some demented way. Otherwise, why would some people hurl such an insult when it seems so obvious that this is a word or expression that should be kept from being abused like this? (cont.)


  1. Anyone who thinks that we EVER had free speech in Israel is gravely mistaken.

  2. Anyone who thinks that the Torah and Halacha EVER allow free speech is gravely mistaken.
  3. LH, Of course, you are absolutely correct, is the Torah. I was addressing the deMOCKracy of Israel, whose gov't has Torah observance pretty the farthest down on its list of priorities.

  4. "Free speech" does not mean that you can shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
    Nor that you can use hate speech.
  5. RBS resident, Thank you for citing the Supreme Court of a foreign entity (eyes rolling). "Hate" is a subjective term. (I am suppose to hate my enemies.) 

    Former MK Effie Eitam
    (Renewed Religiou Zionism)
    Am allowed to call Hitler a Nazi? How? It seems that this law says no. In other words, no to the expression of a fact?

    Furthermore, can't you all see that this is just the beginning (Actually it's way after the beginning).

    Already, it is still against the law to call a gov't official a name. Remember Nadia Matar's case? (Allowed in the U. S., since you brought it up.)

    Incitement to racism is also illegal. (Also allowed in the U. S., since you brought it up.)

    Soon saying HaShem Yaqom damo (May HaShem avenge his blood) will be illegal, then next on the list for elimination will be Yemach shemo (May his name be blotted out).

    Soon after that, verses from the Torah.

    Anyone ever peeked inside an Eidoth HaMizrah Yom Kippur Mahzor? Many would call IT racist.

    Doesn't anyone else see the pattern here?

  6. Nili vs. Israeli Riot Police at the destruction of Amona, 2006/תשס"ו
    If you or any of your families "encountered" the lovely Israeli Police in Me'ah She'arim or in the Shomron (Samaria), I guarantee you that various adjectives and descriptive nouns which would not normally cross your mind, might just cross your mind.
    Tapu'ah West Synagogue
    Destroyed by the IDF, 2003/תשס"ג
Esser Agaroth (2¢) :
"Sheep" + "People" = "Sheeple"
The appropriateness or inappropriateness of the use of the term "Nazi" is irrelevant. Yet, who better than Jews, or Romani, or Jesuits, or Trade Unionists, or Homosexuals would know the most appropriate times to apply this term?

What is relevant is when the government begins to tell us what to do and to say, and begins with something the "sheeple" would easily agree with,...then starts to work its way outward.


Devorah Chayah said...

You are absolutely right!

Shy Guy said...

It gets better!

Esser Agaroth said...


Well, in that case, it looks like MR might have been sloppy.

But, I see your point.

in the vanguard said...

Why keep the word closeted up? Remember the dislocation of 10,000 people from Gush Katif and how black-uniformed soldiers, resembling their German counterparts, cruelly uprooted Jews from their homes, where in some homes stayed 3 generations, homes that Ariel Sharon asked them to please live in.

And the police who continually uproot settlers in the middle of the night, but leave Arab settlers untouched.

Some of these soldiers no doubt are Gentile and probably for good reason, because these people have no conscience that disturbs them from uprooting Jews.

That Jews do this to other Jews is in some way even worse that Nazis because you can expect this behavior from Nazis - but you do not expect it from an Israeli soldier (who, by the way, is not "soldiering").

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